Procrastination (But I Digress)

Tuesday, September 09, 2008

Are You Ready for Some Foot... Law? Politics?

Ah, Fall, when the leaves start changing colors--well, not in Southern California--they are green or brown pretty much all year long; when the air gets cooler and crisp--well, not in Southern California--September and October are the hot months; when tennis is over and football begins--oh no, the agony; when school starts up--well, poor Adam is just finishing his Fall quarter, but I am getting ready to start my Intro to Law Class. I had a year off of teaching, so I am getting out my new pencils, ordering new books, dusting off the old lesson plan and getting back into the swing of things. I love the Fall.

I've had a whole year to forget those evil girls that ruined my last class. I've had a whole year to come up with cool new additions--Latin words of the day--I think that sounds very cool. Today's latin words will be "stare decisis" which should be elemental to everyone, but mostly thoroughly understood by the US Supreme Court justices. Oh dear, my politics are showing.

Luckily (or tragically as the case may be) my students will not have clue. I like to keep politics out of my discussions, but the more I speak with people, the more I realize that there is a whole lot of education needed out there.

I was speaking with someone whom I would have identified as a liberal and certainly as a dedicated democrate. She was very excited that Palin had been nominated as the VP. I thought is was a little odd that she was so informed that she recognized the possible danger to the Republican party of nominating someone who was so radically conservative in a time when the country was looking for change. Dummy, dummy me. She was excited that a women might have the chance to be President. It sounded as though she couldn't wait to vote for her. I wanted to sit down and cry. The Republican party's motto at the convention was "Country First" and then they nominate a VP who unapoligectically puts religion first.

"Caveat emptor"

11 Comments:

  • At September 9, 2008 at 3:41 PM, Blogger Marcel said…

    Kathy,
    I was shocked at the last statement, "she puts religion first." Her experience is to throw the grafters, crooks and cheaters out. How is that tied to religion?

    I am mystified on that religion line, where does it come from?

     
  • At September 10, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Blogger KathrynVH said…

    You are correct, I am letting my prejudice show. I get that comment from a comment that she made in one of her speeches in which she stated outright that she puts God's will first.

    [I am always suspicious of anyone who tells me what God's will is--that's a license to arbitrarily control others.]

    I'm sure that the comment by Palin was a sound bite that her handlers will bury and she'll never say it out loud again, but I also hear "religion first" in her very conservative record and devotion to being pro-life.

    I am pro-choice, because I want people to decide for themselves. I have heard McCain state that while he believes that life begins at conception, he will not force his personal belief on others. I really don't see Palin making the same assurance and I haven't heard McCain make that statement in four years.

    I do not hate pro-life people, they can make their own choices, but I am wary of people who are pro-life, because their stated purpose is to control my choice and my beliefs.

    That scares me just as much as China's policy that parents may have only one child and the book 1984 scared me. Government control of personal family life is a very slippery slope.

    I'm all for reform and cleaning up graft, but I want to weight the risk of treatment--is the cure worse than the illness?

     
  • At September 11, 2008 at 5:31 PM, Blogger Marcel said…

    I may, or may not, have heard her make that statement that she does God's will, but that does not bother me upon hearing it. Religious persons, as far as I am concerned, are preferred as office holders, not because of their commitment to their religion but because of their understanding that there is a higher judge that will one day be faced. Therefore, they try to lead a good life.

    My concern is the person with no religion who is in public office. What restraints does that person put on his conduct? Where does the desire to do the right thing come from? Even with a religious person there is some concern, as we see many times with christians who violate their christrian principles. For them, they did not listen to their inner voice, "this is wrong." Without a religious belief, is there an inner voice?

    Finally, John Adams once stated that this is a religious Country and without that religious conviction in the delegates this Country would not have come together. He said this in spite of the many diverse religions in the Continential Congress.

     
  • At September 11, 2008 at 6:28 PM, Blogger Adrienne said…

    Uncle Marcel, I would rather a non-religious person in office. I would rather someone fear answering to the people of his/her country than to a supposed higher judge. I don't want someone to look to god for their answer or their path. I want someone unafraid and able to determine their own path and come to their own decisions with out a doctrine of some religious base telling them what that decision should/shouldn't be.

    Kathy, my problem is with the label of pro-life. Because I am pro-choice does that then make me anti-life? No, but it does make someone who disagrees with pro-choice anti-choice.

     
  • At September 12, 2008 at 8:31 AM, Blogger EZ Travel said…

    As a card carrying atheist I can assure you that ethical people have that inner voice. Unethical people do not. Religion may seem to have something to do with it, but I don't think it does. People are people, some are ethical, some are not, some are religious, some are not. One does not logically lead to the other.

    The "God's will" statement scares me too. If it were as simple as “Love one another as I have loved you” (one of my favorite hymns) that would be one thing, but it isn’t. Many people presume to know God's will and then want everyone to be governed by their interpretation of God's will. Hence we get things like teaching "creationism" in science classes. That scares the crap out of me. Not for my son (well maybe a little for my son) since he will learn and be able to think for himself because he has educated parents who care about his education. But for the other people that he and I have to interact with every day. For the students in college today that think anything in the bible is absolute fact (and not something put together by fallible men) and that evolution is just a theory.

    From those same people who presume to know God's will we also get books banned from library and the interpretation that gay marriage is an abomination. Ridiculous! The government should not care about "God's will." They should not get involved in who should be able to read what or who should be able to marry whom. Notice that the republicans, who purport to want less government "intrusion" in their lives, wanted an amendment to the constitution banning gay marriage. Why do they care? Because it erodes the sanctity of marriage? Hah! Bigger, more obvious, threats to marriage certainly exist, adultery and divorce to name just two, but you won't hear any politician (or religious pundit) offering up constitutional amendments banning those.

    Wow, I am really ranting now. In short, atheists can be ethical and religious fanatics scare me to death.

     
  • At September 12, 2008 at 11:49 AM, Blogger KathrynVH said…

    Uncle Marcel, I am not a religious person. I like to think that I am highly ethical and that I am very compassionate and giving toward others. I take my duty to society very seriously. I don't do this or live this way because I want to go to Heaven. I don't really believe in Heaven. I live this way because it is right. I firmly believe that all humans regardless of ethnicity or religious or non-religious upbringing have this inner voice of reason and humanity. They may learn to tune it out, but I don't think that "religion" instills it.

    I think I view religion as inspirational and motivational experiences to help people stay in touch with their inate goodness and humanity. If it were just that I'd sign up right away. But it often becomes idealogical and skewed, hence the real need that religion be kept separate and out of government.

    P.S. I never liked John Adams all that much. Give me Ben Franklin and his pragmitism any day. But you also have to put that statement into historical context. Separation of church and state was a radical idea at the time. In order to ease the transition it was important to stress that just because there was a separation of church and state, didn't mean that the state was anti-church. I'm not anti-religion, but electing an evengelical christian with no tolerance for different beliefs is the same as electing a radical muslim cleric who would cover my face with a veil and make me a second class citizen.

     
  • At September 12, 2008 at 4:57 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Favorite hymns……They Will Know We Are Christians By Our Love…..http://www.christianlyricsonline.com/artists/carolyn-arends/theyll-know-we-are-christians.html

    You don’t have to thump a Bible, you don’t have to wear a cross (flag pin) you will be recognized by your deeds.

    I think any person who is ethical and honest because of the reward is always looking for a loop hole. I guess we have never had a corrupt pope, I mean the pope is religious by definition, isn’t he? No philandering evangelists. I think they believe in a religion that states ‘thou shall not commit adultery.”

    I have met very few Christians who followed his/her professed religious beliefs. And none of them were main stream. They were Quakers, Amish and such.

    I am a Buddhist so there are no rules as such. There is the Dharma which tells you how to live. We are, for the most part, agnostic or even pantheist, but no invisible gun in the sky that cares who I am in bed with or from whom I can expect help in winning a football bet.

    za

     
  • At September 12, 2008 at 5:56 PM, Blogger Marcel said…

    Gee, this appears to have pushed a "hot button" for all you girls. Did you not attend the same elementary school I did? Were they teaching, be fearful of Christians? Were you taught hatred? I never heard anything like that. I heard this: a Christian follows Christ's teaching and that it is extremely hard to do. Also, people are basicly good but there is evil in the world and evil must be fought or avoided. Evil in our political scene needs to be uprooted. Graft, sweetheart deals, laziness, indifference, favoritism, stealing from citizens, ignoring the will of the people are all worthy targets in the battle of a true public servant.

     
  • At September 12, 2008 at 8:23 PM, Blogger Gretchen said…

    Last but certainly not least of the sisters. I don't hate Christians, or even religious fanatics. They just scare me.

    I do believe in a higher power, I choose to call him George. I believe that George has a plan for my life that will bring me happiness and serenity, if I quit getting in the way and thinking I know best and actually stop to consider "What would George have me do?" I believe George is "my" higher power and that each person has their own. I keep George pretty busy and can't stand to think that he may take some time off to take care of someone else. Yes, I realize that is a pretty simplistic characterization of God, but it works for me, it keeps me sane and serene. You can go ahead and keep believing in your God if that works for you.

    I consider myself a conservative liberal. I lean left, but I have more conservative tendencies as I get older. Conservative pundits make me cringe, but I cheer on Dr. Laura almost every night.

    Palin just plain terrifies me. She doesn't seem to have a feel for reality. She talks about her daughter having the baby as her daughter's choice. Yet this is a choice she would like to take away from other women (my daughters and nieces among them). Choice is okay as long as you make the correct choice?

    She has morphed the "soccer mom" into a "hockey mom", well what is the difference between a soccer mom and a hockey mom? About $2,00 a year. Hockey is the most expensive sports program to put your child into. Many families can barely afford the soccer fees (the cheapest, figures are based on the local programs here available for my 8 and 10 year old grand-nephews).

    I can't remember everything she said, but I spent the time during her speech at the RNC clutching Gordon's arm and saying "Oh my god, they can't win." Mostly it was the way her speech was used to tear down Obama and create a god out of McCain. Maybe Biden did the same in his speech, but I missed it.

    I don't keep as informed as my sisters (which is to say I only catch Colber and Stewart occassionally) but I tend to base my feelings on what I live not what someone tells me.

    I know people who live like I was taught christians should live, I have no idea what their religious beliefs are. I know people that mention their christianity at every turn, then talk about how they were able to get their cell phone replace by lying about how it was broke. I like the people who live like christians a whole lot better.

     
  • At September 13, 2008 at 1:06 PM, Blogger Marcel said…

    Gretchen,

    All that you said was just great and I want to hear more from you. I just checked your blog and the last one was in 2007. Let me encourage you to get your thoughts into your blog.

    I did watch the Palin intoduction and I did not pick up anything about her wanting to take away choice from anybody. It may just be me not sensitive to the issue. I will be paying closer attention in the future to see if I did miss something.

     
  • At September 13, 2008 at 2:43 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    George? OMR, no wonder yor life is all screwed up. His name is Roger. And he did....'always like me best'

    za

     

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